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EP 96 : Dr. Eng Suaad Al shamsi : The First Emirati Female Aircraft Engineer
What happens when you chase a dream everyone says is impossible? For Dr. Suaad, the first Emirati female aircraft engineer, it meant transforming an industry and inspiring thousands of women across the Middle East.
Growing up watching planes from her home near Dubai International Airport, Dr. Suaad developed an obsession that would define her life's work. But when she tried to pursue aircraft engineering after high school, she hit a wall universities explicitly stated "male" under gender requirements. For 18 months, she refused to give up, eventually securing a scholarship from Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum to study in the UK.
Dr. Suaad takes us through her remarkable journey, from facing skepticism in a male-dominated field to founding Women in Aviation, a non-profit that now has over 3,000 members. She speaks candidly about balancing professional achievements with family life, dispelling the myth that women must choose between career success and personal happiness.
Perhaps most powerful is her discussion of learning limits the hard way. After working non-stop on a major project, Dr. Suaad experienced severe burnout that led to three months in hospital. "We're like machines. Sometimes the machine breaks," she explains. This wake-up call transformed her approach to success, teaching her that you cannot give 100% to everything simultaneously. Now she advocates for intentional breaks, including weekly tech-free days with her family and annual social media detoxes.
Whether you're challenging industry norms, balancing ambition with well-being, or simply wondering how to say "no" more often, this conversation offers wisdom from someone who's broken barriers while learning that true success isn't measured by titles alone. As Dr. Suaad says, "What will they remember? Not all the fancy things around you, but who you are."
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Welcome on the podcast, dr Suad. Thank you, it's my pleasure. How are you feeling today? Great, thank you. I know you're such a busy woman, so it's such a pleasure and an honor to have you here today.
Speaker 2:To be honest, even with busy to be with a friend, I really enjoy talking to why not. Even with busy to be with a friend, I really enjoy talking to why not. So really, it's my pleasure to be with you today, sophia, and looking forward for this podcast.
Speaker 1:So I wanted to introduce you, suad, because I did see on a podcast before you were like just call me Suad, you don't seem too attached to your title, because I do believe title is nice if you're a doctor, engineer, scientist, you name it.
Speaker 2:But the first thing people call you when you're born is your name. So if you love your name, you will love all the title and, let's be honest, the title you gain because you achieve many things in your career, your education. But people will not remember this as much you will remember your name. So as soon they remember your name, they will remember your title. So I do prefer to call me my name and I'm proud to say that as a name. My mom she chosen for me and my dad, dad and it's reflect many things in my life. So suad in arabic it's come from happiness and it's made the happiest woman in the world. So for me I I like when people call me with this name.
Speaker 1:It's like I'm happy, I'm great, I'm doing well, that's so for that I told you to call me my name so when you were a child, what way way was your family Because I know you just mentioned your parents there Did they name you because of that, because it's happiness, or did it just come by?
Speaker 2:chance and they choose this name as the man on the love of my father to his mother. But I've been raised and grow with a family. It's very into love, happiness, caring. Yes, I cannot remember my dad because he passed away when I was 10 months, but my mom, the way she were talking and speaking about him till today. If I would call him right now, I would call her now. She would talk with love about him. She would remember the happiest moment, the memories. So she taught us that you have to enjoy every single thing, every single moment in your life and here, where I grow, that I learned from her that I have to fight for my dream. I have to enjoy my dream and I have to do for my dream. It's not only for other, it's begin with myself, then my family, then the other.
Speaker 1:What kind of mother was your mom?
Speaker 2:Wow, that's a good question. I never, no one asked me before this, but she was or, let's be honest, still today. She is the mother, she's the father, she's the friend, she's the sister. She has this all role. It's not only with me, even with my sister and with my brother.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you're tough, but the way she was tough, she wanted to teach us the importance of education, the importance of giving for this country, to respect yourself, to have confidence, and I think she always reminds us one thing till, like every Saturday, she has to remind how many people you helped this week. So she's a person you need to help others, either by words, either by financial, either by something you give to the others. So she's a given. And, to be honest, when we grew up, I saw her like she complete her education after my father. He passed away. She did many, she achieved many things as a single mother, and here what I learned is about your personality, about what you want in life. It's not about that only. Yes, the partner is important, but it's you need to follow your dream, you need to achieve it, and I learned many things from her serious.
Speaker 1:How important was education to your family when you were growing up.
Speaker 2:It's very important. All of my family, if they're my sister, my brother, my cousin, all of them. The education is very important. It's your weapon for continue in the life. I know many people sometimes they say the degree it's not important. You can success in your life, but learning and having a degree and education it's very important. It's not educate yourself, as education it's educate your mind, your heart. So the more you read, the more you learn. You will help the community, you will help the country, you will help the other and you will have a way to communicate. As we come from a country, it's a multicultural. We have more than 280 nationalities. So if I don't understand their culture, their history, if I'm not educated, I will never learn how to talk to them. So it's for my family, the education is very important Reading books, learning, meeting other people from other nationalities, other cultures it's very important.
Speaker 1:When you talk about education there. How do you see the education system transform into the modern world now, because I think people are starting to work outside the education system.
Speaker 2:Yes, To be honest, when I compare where our education from 25 years, when I start my degree, and how the education right now many things it's improved, many technology many. Let's be honest. Today the AI it's a big platform that help the student. But I saw some of the period of time people were not thinking like the importance of the education. They gave money, they did their business, they did improve in their career, but they stuck in some of the area. So today I see how the improvement in the education, not only in UAE yes, in UAE we improve a lot.
Speaker 2:We have one of the biggest and leader university in the world and I saw the youth, their mentality is changed. They are aware of the importance of learning and, yes, they have the tools, they have the AI, they have all the opportunity. Maybe the old day we don't have it. So I saw that the system is being changed and the way they are focusing. Today I have two child, two boys. When I saw how they are learning is different than our old days. Today they have every technology in their heart, they can do the search very easy, they can learn and the way the mentality is advanced than us. So today, when I'm talking to my son, I have Yusuf. He's 10 years old and I have Sultan, he's seven. When you talk to them and I remember all day when I was a child, I never have been able to talk about what is the technology? Is there? What is happening in the life history, everything? I think the youth are more advanced than us because of the system of education, and the lifestyle is different.
Speaker 1:So if you think the education system is kind of upgraded in terms of technology, how do you see the difference in between the attention, the focus and the connection, human connection that children are having now?
Speaker 2:To be honest, there are many of lack of communication because of this technology. Today we see they are on their tablet, ipad, phone, laptop. They can connect very easy with people outside. But the negative part and I'm always trying to share the awareness about it they connect with others but with people near them. If you will go to any place, you'll see most of the people on their iPad, their phone. They don't talk, they don't have the real, healthy and natural communication skill. So if you will see them in the restaurant, in the mall, most of them in the phone, most of them in their iPad from child, adult, parents, friends. So here you will see like it's advanced, it's upgradable, we can reach to people outside the country, but who near us.
Speaker 2:We have this lack of communication which affected the relationship. So always I notice it's good, it's advantage, but it's affecting with a family, with a friend. So start to raise awareness, spend time with a friend, remove your phone, like for me, for example, every Sunday. No one can call me, I will never answer the phone, I don't see the iPad, I don't talk. It's activity day with my kids, with my partner, with my family, and here we say it day without tech, which this is when we play basketball, we go to the sea, we do something together as a family, and this is for 24 hours till we go back to sleep. And here we notice that I know many things about them. They know many things about me. Yes, we need more, but we started with one day a week and we promised each other if only an emergency call. We have an alert on the phone. It's like this is for emergency call if my mom or something happened at work. But I noticed something when we did this. Now almost we completed one year and it's working very nice.
Speaker 2:We love, we enjoy and I remember all day when I was young, like those days we never had this technology. We have every plan with the family. So, yes, it's worked a lot and I feel it's good people to do it with their not only with their kids with their sister, with their brother, to enjoy their time.
Speaker 1:You have such a large social media presence, so how do you go from having a no tech day?
Speaker 2:Do you ever feel any sense of anxiety or Well, in the beginning it was, but you reach, as a human, to be addicted to the social media, to all this platform. And I remember one time some of our friends asked my son what's your mom doing? And he said she's on her phone. And actually this time, a period of time I was really not only because of the social media. I was so heavy involved in one of the biggest projects in United Arab Emirates so I have to do a lot of email, a lot of teams meeting, meeting, and it shocked me a lot because I don't want my son to. I'm not expecting my son to answer such a answer, but it was honest because from children you get honest answer. And here where I re-portray myself like yes, it's good to have social media, it's good to have a career, but it's time to have time as well with the family. So what? We decided that once a week when we go on holiday no phone, yes, we take a lot of picture, we enjoy, but this is a time with the family.
Speaker 2:In the beginning, people who's addicted to it, they feel so difficult, but you need detoxing. So every year I have three weeks to one month. I deactivate all my social media. I don't enter. I deactivate it from every single device I have and this I call it as a detoxing period and it's good it's. You read book, you do painting, you do some sport and I learned many things in this. Like I remember, it's happening every December and last December I learned a lot of things about basketball because my kids they play basketball, so every day I have to go with them for the training and it's like, oh, I know this player, I know about the matches, I know about the rules and it's good to be away from know this player. I know about the matches, I know about the rules.
Speaker 1:And it's good to be away from social media for at least two weeks. That's incredible, because I think it requires a large portion of discipline in order to have that social media detox. You need it. Like you said you mentioned, you're not really into sports, but then it's like you've so much more discipline in other areas. Where can we connect the dots here?
Speaker 2:I'm not in a sport, to be honest. I love reading books, I love painting. More of the time I'm not into the sport. But why I learn? Because my kids are addicted to sport and my partner. So you need to learn about cycling, about basketball, and it was very important for me to know the rules. So in beginning it was hard because, as a person don't practice sport, you feel pain, muscle pain, exhaled very fast, but slowly, slowly, I enjoy it and I notice it's like the more time I spend with them, the more time I enjoy it. It's more enjoyment and it's changed. You need to do something different. As you said in the beginning, my schedule is so busy, my working hours are so long. The project I have two projects I'm holding a stick many times, like sometimes night, sometimes evening, morning, so it depends. So, yes, to have this clear time, I can call it, it's good, it helps a lot.
Speaker 1:So what kind of child were you in school?
Speaker 2:I was nerd. To be honest, I love math, I love science, I love math, I love science, I love books. So when people, when they call me nerd because it's no one can compete with me and challenge me in math and science, I love it till today. So always I play Sudoku no way, oh, yes, I love it, I love it. I was like still today, like when I go to the library, like border kind of, you can see, it's like okay, we have the new one, that's in the application, but I love the pen and write it. So in school I read a lot.
Speaker 2:I was away from friendship, maybe because I faced a lot of bullying that day that you know, a girl who loves books, overweight, cannot talk to people. So I got this corner in the school, try to avoid to have a friendship except like one or two friends. And maybe it's helped me a lot where I am right now, because if I don't read many books and have this, I will never be success or scientist. So it's helped me, yes, affect my social life, but when I go back to old days definitely I will do something different, like more friend, more girl time. I miss those days. Yes, what was your?
Speaker 2:confidence like back then uh, confidence, maybe when I get my greets to be the highest in the class. This is what the most confidence that you want to give more. And this is where you balance, because when you have this lake a negative social life, no friends, away from people, trying to avoid talk to people, and then you have this part where it's every change. Now, alhamdulillah, thanks God that when I try to educate myself to have more friends, to be in social life, have confidence in myself to talk to people, but the more confidence that I know what's my dream about, I know what's what I actually want, and even I was challenging other like in my colleague, my teacher in the class. They were like you will never be a craft engineer, you're a dreamer. And here it was the more confidence that one day I will be and you will see it. It's give me the confidence that I need to learn more to get more grade to enter to the university.
Speaker 1:So when did you have that initial idea? I want to be an aircraft engineer. For the listener you were the first Emirati female engineer aircraft engineer for the listener you were the first Emirati female engineer, yeah.
Speaker 2:Aircraft engineer, yeah so I remember I was 10 or 11 years old the first time I fly in airplane. I was so obsessed with, actually, my mother. It's begin before because my mother has its needs to Dubai international airport and we have some place, like in the villa. It's connect the outdoor with the indoor, so it's in the middle. So this area where I always study and do my homework, and you know when, as a child, you keep looking to the sky and look to those different aircraft, different airline, and you keep counting and I keep having this question many ways how they fly, how to reach the sky, the level, how many feet. And then after I remember when I reached 10 and 11, the first time I've been flown to within aircraft, and we went for a vacation. So I saw the pilot, I saw the cabin crew. So I started asking many questions. Like I remember the destination where we're flying five hours, everyone, they have this coloring book, food, and I never sat. Tell the cabin crew, told my biggest sister and my mom, like can you put seatbelt for her? My biggest sister and my mom, like can you put seatbelt for her? She's so annoying. And I came back to Dubai and I asked the question for the pilot, like you're flying. Who designed it? Who fixed it? And he, I remember he said they're a aircraft engineer. And from there I put it in my dashboard, a dream dashboard. I have it and I said like I want to be this because I can touch it, I can be near to the aircraft. It's not just a flying. And slowly, slowly, when you grow up, you search more, read more.
Speaker 2:And then the shock part that when I reached to grade 10 or 11, they told me it's no university allowed a female to enter to such a field. And I was like why? And they said it's only for male. So after high school I've been applying for many universities, many organizations, and they reject because it's written the gender is male. And I was so obsessed, like why? And you know when you raise it, both gender. So yeah, and after high school took me one year and a half, exactly 18 months, till I had the chance to talk to His Highness Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, the ruler of Dubai, god bless him. And I told them that about my dream 10 day I got the scholarship from His Highness to travel to UK to complete my education in aeronautical engineering.
Speaker 1:That's incredible. Yes, that's so amazing. How did you feel that moment when you got that letter?
Speaker 2:You know when you start dancing so happy that you are near to your dream. It's not about something you dream and you are not like a lot of people. They have dreams but they never chase it. But the shocking part, like I never told my family that actually I got a scholarship, or I spoke to his highness, except when I received the call and I have to sign. So my mom and my older sister should be with me to sign all the contract. So to convince them, like it's the right time for me to travel and, as a girl, to travel alone. It was forbidding those days. So how to convince them, how to make them that this is by Grimm? So I went to them. They were having dinner. I said, by the way, I got a scholarship. I'm going to UK to study aeronautical engineering. Prepare yourself, tomorrow you have to come to sign the contract with me.
Speaker 2:And I went to my room. My mom. She thought that what's wrong with you, are you serious? And I told her that this is where I want to be. She had met me in medical school, like my sister, and I was running from the school. So when she went to the medical college to see my grade, I was like fail, fail, fail, fail. And it's like are you serious? You are not attending for 18 months what you're doing? And I was like it's not me, it's not my dream. So they accept the reality that I want to be an aircraft engineer and it took me 18 months after the high school. So they give me their blessing. All my family, my brothers, my sister, my mom and I want to study aeronautical engineering. Today I'm proud to say I never be stopping my education. I hold now a PhD in aviation science.
Speaker 1:Wow. Did you face any friction at the beginning of them questioning whether you were capable of doing this, or did they always give you the support?
Speaker 2:As a family. They give me the support, but they were panicked. They were scared. If you feel how you will face it, what is your reaction? Every family, every other sister, brother, parents always they have this, not a doubt. They are panicked. They don't know how. They don't want you to be breaking your heart for anything or facing any challenges, but that were from many people, either when I was in uk or back home. It just you're a female. Can you do what it's um a tough environment? What you will do, how you will? Will you find a job when you graduate? All this adult question you receive from people. It depends on your personality. Either you take it, either you leave it. Some people will leave their dream because they have this adult.
Speaker 2:It's a result of, and reflect of, people who are surrounding you with negative vibe and comment. For me, it's every negative. I take it as challenge. I wanted to show the people that they are wrong. I've never been able to speak English perfectly. To be honest.
Speaker 2:I come from a school full of Arabic, so I have to go and teach myself in English. I never had a friend, or how to deal with a group project, to deal with different nationality. All came to my awareness. Those days it's like I know the girl I come from, place all female. So to go to different culture it's not only to get your education and your degree, it's to be a responsible person and educate yourself how to face the life. Is was the biggest lesson I learned from my life and I broadly say that I'm happy I took the decision because if I would compare myself, if I go to another field not this maybe, maybe I will be a different personality. So I think deviation it's just called your personality change. It make it more mature, more responsible, thinking about how to solve a problem. So everything comes with one package if you enter to deviation.
Speaker 1:What kind of challenges did you face and the difficulty from growing up in a school that didn't have expats in it. Because you just mentioned that and even though I know Dubai is 80% expats, I should say now, what kind of challenges would you face then moving to the UK? And also, culturally, how different was that?
Speaker 2:Well, it was so difficult and always I said for my students who are planning to travel to either UK Sydney state, the life here now it's different. Let's be honest Today, when I'm talking about Dubai and United Arab Emirates, it's more open, more culture. In the school you find different nationality. Like my kids mashallah, I got to bless them. They have different friends from different culture, from different nationality and abroad I push them to have different because to understand the life is not like when you have only one person sitting around you, but those days you come from background that, as I said, full female, you'll never be able to speak a male, you have a colleague.
Speaker 2:When you enter to the university and you have some project, you have to work with your hand. It's not only like a normal thesis and an essay. For me it was. I need to reach to my dream. I need to be an aircraft engineer, I need to learn how to communicate with others. So I started searching about communication skills, to speak to public, how to talk to others, and slowly, slowly, I learned, like even when.
Speaker 2:I remember in one moment one of our teacher. He from a different country and he was wearing very nice, the way I said the sentence for him it was grammatically wrong and it was very bad to say for a man such a sentence. And because he knows that I don't mean it, he took me and he correct for me. And here, when I learn, learned. Sometimes you need to learn how to speak, how to manage other people. It's to understand their culture. So at the beginning it was so challenging. Um, as a female, as a woman, come from a small family, all their mind, like the girl should be a medical, the boy in lows, uh, and come from your comfortable zone, an environment, to go to a different country. Um, it's a skill, my, my personality, and I learned many things, to be honest, helped me a lot in my all my life journey you talk a lot about learning and reading books.
Speaker 1:Do you think that was a way of building confidence from a potential body image that you had, because I know you said you were overweight.
Speaker 2:Why reading books is important and always people say why you are addicted to books. It's similar when you watch a movie. You can know about the heroes, about the people, about the city. It's good to see different movies, it's good to know about what is another. Yes, and technology by all. Social media can. I can know about Sophia, for example, from her social media.
Speaker 2:But sometimes when you read, you're alone with the book, alone with the heroes, alone with the city. And reading, first of all, your ability to be away from everything work, family, kids is the time you are the only person. That's the book or the only things you are holding at the book and, most important, read for everything in history, in education, in science and law and medical. It will give you ability to understand the other more so today, when I'm talking to my sister she's a pediatric surgeon and she's the first in United Arab Emirates I'm brought with her that when she's talking about medical, about the children, how she did operation, if I don't read or I don't understand the importance of the doctors, I will de-estimate them, I will not give them the right respect. Let's say what I will say about maybe before we record. I told you when we met three years ago and you were talking about the sports. Yes, I'm not a sport person, but it's helped me a lot to show my kids the importance of the sport, the health of their body, and today, to be honest with you, you are one of the role models for my kids to show that the importance.
Speaker 2:If I will not read or I will not listen or I will not watch, I will never have a better skill. Today, yes, you have a degree, you have your personality, but 80 is 15 years old. It's different than 20, it's different than 30, it's different than 40. I am still not reaching to 50, but I understand every period of your life is different. Your personality is changed, so it's good to learn, so to continue. So if I will see Suhad when she was 20, 21, how her reaction to the things is different than today, and this is where I said I learn so I can continue in this journey.
Speaker 1:Do you think confidence is built or you're born with confidence?
Speaker 2:Both. To be honest, every single person born with a confidence, but you choose to break it or you choose to actually improve it, because today you are alive. You choose what you want to do. Improve it Because today you are alive. You choose what you want to do, not the other. Yes, other can help, you can show you that. Yes, you can be presenter, you can be on medical, you can be in anything. But the reality is inside us. What really we want Today.
Speaker 2:If I want to be with full makeup, enjoying dressing up, or I want to be in sport, or even in safety shoes and at my work, this is where I always believe, like we born with the confidence, we born as a leader, normal, the same tone for their whole journey, of their life journey. You can see many people if I compare many of my old colleagues today when I grow up in my career. I communicate with them and connect with them. They are in the same grade, the same work, the same. Like I never left them, like I left the old company now almost 10 years, and when I spoke to them it's like are you serious? You're doing the same, you didn't try to improve, and they said, no, we are happy like this, but other choose to improve, to learn and be in higher position. So it's similar with your personal life. You promote yourself to be normal or an advanced leader. So this is where I do believe.
Speaker 1:When people are in progress and do you really think that they're super happy?
Speaker 2:it's depend on them, to be honest, but I think the happiness it's connect with your progress and your achievement. So, and what you really need from this achievement? Yes, I can have, as I said, title, certificate, um, award, many things in life, but what really make you happy it's your, that you, you really. What is your achievement and what makes you happy? Is it in your education, in your career, in your social life and even with your personal, with your image? Today, many people, they are happy because they lose weight, but others, they are happy that they receive an award. Some of them, they open their business. So it's you estimate what is happening. It's me, for you, for me, it's to start my day and end it. I know I'm giving every single person their right either family, either my career, either my country, even to Saad. So it's the prioritize, what I start my day with and end it with. This is what makes me happy.
Speaker 1:Do you think happiness is something that you're born with? Do you think it's like your default state and then anything else that comes in and makes you unhappy?
Speaker 2:Ah, good question. To be honest, I think we're born with many things Happiness and happy, achievement and unachieved. It's always what really you want to form this life. So happiness, everyone happy when you're born, your parents, your family. But even when you step the first step in your life, you walk, you have the first teeth, the first teeth falling down, and you kept telling them about tooth fairy and all of this happiness thing moment. But when you grow up, you choose your happiness. So, yes, when we were child, we are happy with a small chocolate, with a cake, with tooth fairy if it's coming for us and we believe those days that exist and traveling All of these children, they love it. But the real happiness is where you choose where to be when you grow up. This is the real happiness.
Speaker 1:I visualize happiness as like when you're a baby right. If you're upset, it's generally because either you need food or you need to go to the toilet, or something's not right. So a baby tends to cry, but their default state is happiness. They're content.
Speaker 2:So this is a good thing, like yes, you're right, because all of us we grow up, but still we are inside us. They're a baby, they are someone. Make you happy or make you cry, and here where it's happiness come, who can make you happy or make you cry? And here, where it's happiness come, who can make you happy?
Speaker 1:So when you started your career, did you face any friction as a female? Did people not take you seriously?
Speaker 2:Yes, this is normal because when you enter a field like the aviation industry it's not easy. But when you come to a field under the aviation industry, where is it? Maintenance? The environment is tough, it's a male-dominated industry. Working hour, the responsibility, the challenges, it's very big.
Speaker 2:So many people will submit as a female, can you do it or you cannot? You repressure them. You will give them more responsibility. Many of them they will think if you will fail once, you will go to the toilet, start crying and panic. So yes, it was a challenge to make my colleague to understand I'm a partner and I'm a colleague. I'm with them, I love what I'm doing.
Speaker 2:The mentality is changed but still we face less percentage of female in the aviation industry, especially in maintenance side, worldwide, not only in UAE. And I think because of the environment and those challenges, the more high responsibility and the pressure you are getting, some of them they think if they enter to such a field, they might face or I will do it in different sentences like they think that they cannot build a family, they cannot live their life, they will never have a social life. And this is all because people who are surrounding them, they give you this negative comment and negative vibe that, oh, if you enter, you will be a male, you cannot be a woman, you will not get married, you will never have children, you will spoil your life and destroy it, and all of this negative vibes. So many female? Yes, I know them in the university, but they do prefer to go to management side, not to be working in the field, and I hope that the image should be changed to raise more awareness about it.
Speaker 1:Did anyone ever tell you that you wouldn't be able to have a family?
Speaker 2:Many, many, if I name it, from the day I decided to be an aircraft engineer and it was funny because no one can understand or can imagine what the future will be. Okay, and you don't know, suat, you don't know my future, you don't know how I am, if I will have a family or not, and I think because, as I said, I'm so obsessed about the aviation industry and I'm so addicted to it and I love it, so people think that all my mind and I will all be myself will be only for the aviation industry, which is wrong People. They don't understand that, yes, I have a dream, but I have other dream to have the family. And when we're people saying that you never, no man will accept you, no man will want his wife to be an aircraft engineer. No one wanted to be with women like you as a leader. And I keep laughing because and I answer in a question like if some man they accept to have a doctor, female as a wife, presenter, scientist, if I name many career women, sometimes they are, she's not a present at home, but they are happy parents and happy family and happy couples.
Speaker 2:Why not? Because I'm in this field, I'm in this field, so I always say okay, let's come to the future. Today I'm proud to say I have a partner. He's so supportive and he's so proud of me. I have two amazing kids and I was one family. They have a daughter with their young daughter to enter to the field, and she reached to me either through my social media or she met me somewhere and I said like, come see they, they, I give them an example, not only about we have a lot pilot, air traffic control or cabin crew. Many of them. They are married and happy married.
Speaker 1:So it's been how you balance in your life do you feel like your environment ever shaped who you are as a person when you went into such a male-driven industry?
Speaker 2:Yes, it's changed a lot. To be honest, if I compare myself, if I enter to another industry, maybe I will not be similar to my personality here. And it's because of the situation and challenges you face, the environments surrounding you, the responsibility you get, the more you have. Because to be an aircraft engineer, it's not about only you get your degree, you enter to the field and finish. No, it's complete your education, you have to have a type course, you have to have a license, you have to continue educating yourself because the industry is growing. So you are in all your life, during your career, you are in education. This is no doubt and I think there where I my personality changed, because the pressure I used to have, that my responsibility is changing today, when I'm saying I'm a consulting for two biggest project in united arab emirates, the responsibility tell us which projects I don't know if I can do this but hopefully soon we can announce it.
Speaker 2:But it's something which shaped the aviation industry, to be honest, especially in UAE, and the good thing, people never thought that a female can lead such a project and today I'm leading those projects with a huge budget. I'm proud to say if I never been on this whole journey in my career and I've been actually improving my skill and actually growing step my career only even in my personality. So when I look back to Suad all day, her reaction, her attitude, maybe the way she's talking is different than Suad now and here where I say I grow as a person and I grow in my career as well.
Speaker 1:Did your ego ever get in the way?
Speaker 2:Alhamdulillah, thanks God, who know me, who know that I like to be normal person and I do believe that ego will never take me to anywhere Because every single of us, we weren't as a human. So I respect every single one from anywhere. And even you said I don't tell them, you have to call me doctor, engineer and you have to respect. No, no, no, I like to be so normal. Even when I go back to my family yes, I'm the youngest, I'm proud to say that. So still, when I enter, I'm the youngest I respect my both big brother, my family. Yes, I'm the youngest, I'm proud to say that. So still, when I enter, I'm the youngest I respect my both big brother, my sister. Still, like, I never tell them like, see, I received this award. You have to say no, I like to be so humble.
Speaker 2:And there where I learned from my mom that actually you made the title, not the title made you, and I want you to remind us like be respectable, respect other, from either worker, either labor, either educated, uneducated, young, big, be yourself. And here where I understand as like one day I will get retired, I will leave my career, I will leave, maybe the social media, I will leave everyone. I will leave my career. I will leave maybe the social media. I will leave everyone. I need people to remember Saad. Who is she? Not all the fancy thing around her, because, yes, it's taken me many years, 25 years, to reach where I am and I'm proud to say, yes, I gained my education, my titles, the respect I want I give to the country, to the community, to others. But what they will remember Saad if she's the kind, humble, helping others, not with the ego she's broadly talking. No, I like to be myself.
Speaker 1:Did you ever catch yourself being ego-driven at any stage in your career? It does happen. It's natural.
Speaker 2:It's natural I cannot say I'm not perfect. To be honest, sometimes it happens. Sometimes you have to use your ego. I'm not saying in some situation you will use it, but again it depends on the situation and sometimes you will have to remind yourself, like, go back. But it depends again on the situation and sometimes you will have to remind yourself, like, go back. But it's the again on the situation and some people you have to remind them who you are. They can use your, your, your humbling your, your. You are down to earth, so they can use it in different ways. So sometimes you have to use it. Yes, let's happen.
Speaker 1:This is natural of any human yeah, I think if you lead with good intentions, happen. This is natural of any human. Yeah, I think if you lead with good intentions and if someone is kind of trying to manipulate the situation, then it's. I don't think you're in a wrong. You have to stop them sometimes, yes. So what was your mission when you first started your career? Where did you see this go?
Speaker 2:Well, the first thing and mission in my career to enter to the career. It was the big mission and alhamdulillah, thanks god, I entered. But the most important mission for me it was to help the other, the young, because I don't want them to face where I am facing, fighting for your position and your right to be in this industry. So I take a promise on myself like I will help every woman or every female or every youth either, from both gender, to enter to the field. Today I'm probably saying many. They come back to me, they enter to the field, they are graduated, they have a career and when every message or call I receive that they did it, it's make me more, make my mission more bigger, that I want more youth to be in this industry. This was the biggest mission for me. The second one it was to show the world that the female can be in anywhere and broadly say, yes, I'm an aircraft engineer, I'm a mother.
Speaker 2:I'm a partner, I enjoy my life. It's not about you determine what I can or I cannot, because many people, if you will go now and say, well, I dream to open a business, oh, you will lose, and they give you all the negative. They will never say that the good thing, yes, you can do it. For me, I do believe if you can dream it, you can do it and achieve it. So and this is where every single person they know. So I believe on this. So I try to give this mission to many people Like if I did it, you can do it, not only in the aviation industry, anywhere. No matter you are from where, no matter what is your religion, no matter what is your culture or your age. It's dependent on your personality. Just connect your mind with your heart and say I will make it do a plan. And many of female come back to me and say will make it do a plan. And many of female come back to me and say, okay, because we cannot balance, we don't know what we do, we will lose our paths, we cannot do this, we cannot grow in our career. And we give them the advice. We help them. So we started something called Learn to Live. It's already now almost 15 years and there this is a platform. It's face-to-face, b2b with me and say, okay, serious, how to balance in your life. And sometimes I should remind them that the age is different. Yes, in 20, you are different and in 40, you're different. So I started this initiative called Learn to Live and helping many female Other things. We did it that. We did a non-profit organization called Women in Aviation.
Speaker 2:Today I'm proud to say we have more than 3,000 memberships. Wow, and not only from UAE, different country. We are based here in Dubai, but we are taking care of all Middle East, all nationality, and we give a scholarship, we do conference, we give awareness, we educate female either who want to be to study in the aviation industry, any field, or want to enter as a career. And year after year, we completed now 12 years. Thank God and say when I saw how big company brought and be partner with us if you name it Airbus, boeing, strata Dubai Airport, if I name many companies as a partner with us started the dream of four girls and a small coffee shop Every meeting. We want to do this and we want to do this. No one believe on us like we can do it Today, after 12 years. We get the support from government, from private sector, from many people. They want us to travel to their country and do those conferences. It gives us the opportunity to give more to this industry and help females to enter to the field.
Speaker 1:Where do you see the future going in terms of females Emirati females now, because you've broken a barrier and you're a sensational role model for others. How do you see the future now for females here in the UAE?
Speaker 2:We are in a country that gives the opportunity for all the females, starting from Emirati and non Imarati, but for the Emirati women, I broadly say the confidence and the trust we are being given from our leader, from our government, that we can do and reach our dream easily, the opportunity to grow with the country to reach our mission. So today, if we are saying about UAE vision of 2030, actually we reach it. Today we are having female in 50% and 50% male as a diplomatic, as engineer, so they are equal 50-50%. Where I see the growth of women to be in leader position, it's coming more and more. And here where I probably say this is because of trust of our rulers, leaders and even the youth. Today they have a voice. So here, the voice of women, female, it's heard and it's reached and they are a role model for many females worldwide.
Speaker 1:So where do you see aircrafts now in the next 10 to 15 years? Do you think we're going to have, like, the next High Rocks gym on board a plane, or like how?
Speaker 2:do you?
Speaker 1:think structurally, is this possible, it's possible.
Speaker 2:We see the growth of designing the aircraft and the technology ensure today, when we compare it with the old aircraft, the weight of it and, the most important, they care when they now design an aircraft the sustainability and saving the environment. It's helped a lot, not only the environment, even the people who work. I see the technology is coming, the AI within is coming and in 2030 and 2035, we'll see a huge reshaping of many design of aircraft.
Speaker 1:I want to make a fitness aircraft.
Speaker 2:Well, from last week. We never thought the dream of a gamer can be having a special seat in an aircraft. Today, one of the airlines actually announced a gaming seat for a gaming player. Can you imagine a gamer who loves gaming they will be having a special seat Tomorrow? You cannot imagine. If you have an idea and go to an airline and say, well, I have this idea as fitness and they will implement Today. They want this and you cannot imagine it can happen. Who do I contact? Yes, don't worry, we'll make it happen.
Speaker 1:I always think when I'm on board an aircraft, I'm like I could be working out right now or I could be doing something you know.
Speaker 2:You can have your own space. Seriously, it's an amazing idea, especially people who love sport, yoga. Why Sport yoga? Why not? You can have a corner in the aircraft. If today the changes, if you compare the design today, today, if you have kitchen in the aircraft, you have gaming seat, you have different, you have shower. Can you imagine? Definitely, maybe you can have a gym in the aircraft.
Speaker 1:Why not? So what has been the biggest challenge in your career so far?
Speaker 2:The biggest challenge to enter to the field. To show a female that can be in this industry and continue. The important is it's not about only enter to a field, how to continue. People never believe that I can stay one year or two years. Today I completed exactly 20 years in this industry. So the biggest challenge is that sometimes you have to fight more than the mill to show that you are capable to do it. So I hope and I wish that this change.
Speaker 1:Do you think that gives you more motivation to work harder? Yes, and show that they are a mistake. Do you think you would be as successful as you are today if you had been a man?
Speaker 2:No, and, yes, it depends on the person, your manager, your you know management surrounding you, because some of the management and manager they believe that, yes, as a female, you can and maybe they give some to a male. I think we need to break this because it's still the mentality thing Female is not capable. But let's be honest today we have many female in the industry. It's changed and I'm looking forward to have it 100% changed so they will not say, oh, because you are female, you cannot be there, not only in the aviation industry. In general, today some people they trust male more than female. And here you have this adult like you don't know my skill, you don't know my personality, you don't know what I'm capable to do, so I think it's estimating as per the image. I want to break this one Like don't determine what I cannot or estimate what I cannot or not because of my image. What's behind this image is the importance, the mind, the skill, the belief, the confidence. This is the importance you need to consider about. What are some of?
Speaker 1:the unseen parts of aviation.
Speaker 2:Anything. To be honest, the aviation industry, yes, people think it's tough but enjoyable. Sometimes you feel like you are into a crazy environment because of the situation. Sometimes there's some challenges, but the best part in the aviation people they don't understand. As soon as you enter to this field, you get obsessed, you get addicted and you don't want to leave it. So this is there Many people. They don't understand about aviation.
Speaker 1:What makes a good aircraft engineer?
Speaker 2:Confidence, problem-solving leader and overthinking beyond thinking and can face any challenges.
Speaker 1:So when you say overthinking, would you define yourself as an overthinker?
Speaker 2:Yes, you need to, because sometimes you've been in a situation you need to get a solution immediately. So to have an overthinking and big thinker and a strong thinker, it's very important.
Speaker 1:What do you do to turn off your mind?
Speaker 2:Ah, good question. Play basketball with my both kids. This is the moment I close my mind, and only with my heart, with them.
Speaker 1:Do you find yourself sometimes at night time? Does your mind ever race or do you come up with any sort of ideas because you seem like such an ambitious person?
Speaker 2:yes, my mind never stopped thinking. Yes, I'm a person, uh, I need to rest my mind sometimes. But, yes, many idea come, many solution. What I need to give more. So this is always and it's sometimes first to me like I need to stop thinking and give my brain a break. I'm exercising and practicing how to do it.
Speaker 1:Have you ever faced severe burnout throughout your career? Because obviously it requires a lot of effort.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's only in my career, even in my life, and I hope many people they don't do it because healthy. I crashed, entered to the hospital. It's affected a lot of my health and here where I learned some things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did hear you had a health what?
Speaker 2:happened. You know when sometimes you stress yourself not only body-wise, it's mental emotion. You are so over. We are like the machine. Sometimes the machine break, let's be honest. The battery need to be charged, need to have the maintenance. So our body the same. So I was so into one-off project and I never rest and even when I go back home I don't rest. My mind working, working, working, tell my body to stop. And here, where you understand as a human, sometimes really you need the rest. Many people they think because of busy life we need to do more, we need to be there, bear there. And within 24 hours they don't rest, except one or maybe three hours, and even in those three hours they are overthinking. So our body is like the machine.
Speaker 2:It needs to recharge, it needs the battery, it needs to be mentored. It's happened to me. I entered to the hospital and I stayed allowed like almost three months. And here we understand, like Saad, you need a break. You need a break not only from work, from every single thing from your life and to need to enjoy and recharge yourself to come back stronger. And here, where I decided to have one day off every week, I try to prioritize, change the list of my priorities. I try to let peritonitis change the list of my peritonitis.
Speaker 2:And if sometimes I cannot do it, I admit I cannot or I need to stop and redo it or continue tomorrow?
Speaker 1:What are your signals to define whether you're just borderline about to have a burnout. What are your signals?
Speaker 2:When I know that I don't have time even to eat. This is where I know I notice like I exceed the board of my personality, my skill, my body will crash. So if you are a person knows that, oh, if you will always say I don't have time to eat, I don't have time except for coffee, I have to do and you think that you're doing many tasks in the same times, trust me, you'll break. So here where I noticed, like every time I put in my board, in my agenda, even the breaking time and I put alarm in my phone that this is your break, this is time you need to eat, this is the time you need to take your medicine. As a busy person also, this alarm helped me a lot. It's telling me to stop, rest, take a break and then continue.
Speaker 1:So tell me a little bit about your book that you've written. You have two versions, right? Yes, okay, where did this inspiration?
Speaker 2:come from? Well, my book. It's called how to Kill your man With no Evidence and why this version came out. As a person who works with a man 99% all male in my industry. Now it's increased to the female increase, but the male percentage is higher and I notice every time, especially in our shift, you get a lot to hear a complaint from them about their wife, about their daughter, about their sister.
Speaker 2:And I noticed something when I asked them a question what's the main challenge you face with a female? And I remember 83 or 85% of them they said they never hear your bubble voice. Even we are talking, they never listen. And here where I noticed like we want to do something that female will read, it will understand it. So I agree with 12 of them. Actually we're more, but we launch only 12 stories that, okay, let's write your story. Okay, and we'll take the voice of your. We're more, but we launched only 12 stories. Okay, let's write your story. Okay, and we'll talk to your wife or your daughter or your sister and let other women read it and they love it.
Speaker 2:I met them, interviewed every single one of them, we put it in the novel book and we launched it them. We put it in the novel book and we launch it. We never thought we thought that it will be success, but we never thought it will increase like this. So people have been asking English edition, french, indian and in Arabic. It's sold almost, so far, 30,000 books now and I noticed when, till today, it's from 2018 until today I keep receiving emails, messages that this is my story and, if you will consider, it's not only in UAE, it's many other country that this is my story.
Speaker 2:I remember one of the letter email I received, one woman. She said this is actually me and my husband and you will notice that this is not. You are alone in this world, in this challenge or problem. There are many, but different nationality, and here we came with the second version and so far it's sold many and the English version is coming in the Christmas. This year we postponed it a little bit because it was a huge book, so we said we will postpone it to make it a smaller version and it will come in the Christmas, exactly the second or third week of December this year.
Speaker 1:Congratulations, thank you. How critical is it to your success to express yourself? To express yourself and how you mean, because you just mentioned how females in the book were sharing their stories, so they've expressed themselves. How do you think that impacts someone's success to be able to express themselves fully and tell their story Well?
Speaker 2:any success woman should share her story, should be listened because it will help a lot, should share his story, should be listened because it will help a lot. Today, when I go and share my story, it's not because, yes, I'm proud of my story, I'm proud of my journey, I'm proud of Suad, but when I share my story it can help maybe other I'm not saying thousand people or million people. I want to help even one person. This is the important. Your story is not about only your success and your career and your family life, and sometimes words or sentences. It can impact and affect in good way other who will listen to you.
Speaker 2:So I always say for any successful woman in any field go share your story, either on broadcast, either on TV, either on social media, either on book. You don't know who will read it and you will help others. Our journey and our life is not about only us. It's about others, the famous people worldwide. When they share their story. It's helped many people and especially when the youth read, when the youth understand, because in the end we're retired, we live this life. Other people will come, and other and other. If you feel that you are success and you have a story, go tell it, because you don't know who need to hear it.
Speaker 1:Has there been any story that was shared with you that has changed your perspective on your life?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, to be honest, some of the story, when it's come it's made me rethink about many things in my life, especially when it's come from close people or success people, and sometimes they give you this advice and I really appreciate when I hear the advice from people. So, as I said, when you hear it when you are young, it's different when you are old. When I started my journey, many experts, especially male, they came and gave me this advice and share with me a story and helped me to reshape my personality and things in my life. So it's good to hear from others. Take the good and leave the bad.
Speaker 1:Is there any like one defying story that has sat with you?
Speaker 2:forever. I remember one of my manager. I asked him, like he knows how I'm addicted and obsessed of my career and he told me. I remember what he told me. He said Saad, one day you will leave this place. People will remember you, but the life will continue. And you know, when you thought about it, what does it mean? And still I remember that when he shake like my hand and he left, he said, take it easy. And you know, when you said, take it easy, what does it mean. And he left. And he was very old, he retired and he left after 10 years and eight months.
Speaker 2:I left my previous company and I went to a new company. And here, when you notice that, whatever you give, people will remember you, but the life will continue. And today, when I go and met my colleague and everyone, you'll see the same place, the same people. They grow up. No one will say, oh yes, we miss you, thank you, but the life will continue, the work will continue.
Speaker 2:And here, when I remember the first visit to my old company, I noticed how, like I never left the place, they continue, they are happy, they are enjoying, they're doing what they are doing. It's you value yourself like, give to your career, but not thousand percent, not hundred percent. Just as I mentioned, prioritize yourself because as soon as you leave the place, just as I mentioned, prioritize yourself because as soon as you leave the place, they remember, but they will continue. This is the story. I remember my manager when he told me I remember him. He passed away and here, when you notice that he left, he was in this company for more than 30 years, but not where he is. So this is where I learned from this story.
Speaker 1:Because this is the Detached podcast. What would you detach yourself away from? That's limiting you today, Ah.
Speaker 2:To be honest, to share, to learn, to give Many things to be honest.
Speaker 1:What more do you want to share in this life?
Speaker 2:The most message I want to share in this life believe in yourself, be confident, believe in your dream. In the end, I always say you will live your life journey, not me, not others. Yes, take the advice, listen, but in the end, sit with yourself and ask yourself what really you want from this life the success, the knowledge, the fame. Or you want life or you want a career. Everything comes in one package, but it depends on the percentage. Everyone can get to achieve something, get famous, be healthy. Unhealthy food Can just put it in one bottle and put a percentage. You cannot have all of them 100%. You have to divide the 100% into everything you wanted.
Speaker 2:When did you notice this? When I was in the hospital. You know when you are in the hospital bed, yes, people will visit, you will be there for you, but at the end of the day, you are alone. And here you notice that other. They will continue their life, they are achieving, and because you want everything to give it 100%, you will crash. You will have this break and I think I thank God for this break, to be honest, because three months, many things in my life has been changed, the way I'm thinking, giving everyone right.
Speaker 2:But I should remember Saad, because always when we success in our career, we start having family. We delete ourselves. Most of the female, what they do, they give other more than their self. When they have children, they give to the children more than their self. When they get a promote in their career, they give to the career more than the self. And you will notice many of them. They're smiling with makeup, with high heels, but when you ask them are you happy? You will see how the smile will change. Yes, maybe they are happy, but inside them they are not. So after three months I noticed like I need to have time to myself, I need to recharge myself, and I noticed that I cannot have everything 100%. So what I need and what not, what I need to delete, even from my life, this was the biggest lesson.
Speaker 1:I learned Sounds like you've learned the lesson of surrendering, yes, and survive. Has that ever got in the way of you gaining opportunities in your life?
Speaker 2:It's helped me a lot and, to be honest, mentality I grow up emotionally, decision making. It was not like immediately. I take my time and, the most important, I started learning how to say no when it should be no, yes when it's not yes. Let me think about it because we never learned this. Some people, when they ask you, can you do this? Yes, can you help us? Yes, and most of the people kept saying yes for many things. They don't want to do it. And here where I learn and educate myself during this period that it's no harm to say no. It's no harm sometimes to block people because they are affecting and impacting negatively in your life, many people being left in front of my life as a friend because they were not real friends. Here you learn how to grow mentality. The age of your mind is different. So, yes, it's helped me a lot and I appreciate for this period. So, yes, it's helped me a lot and I appreciate for this period. Make me who I am and continue now.
Speaker 1:Do you think saying no has become a little bit easier when coming from a background when you were younger you were siloed, let's say you know maybe you didn't have the friend community growing up. Do you think it was easier for you to say no as an adult?
Speaker 2:Today I start. It was easier, yeah, but not easier for many people. For me it was easier because I know how to say it and, as a person has a target in life, I learn how. When should I say no, which is not, and this has helped me a lot when I entered to my aviation industry as well. But many of people they feel shy to say no, they panic to say no, they don't want to say no. Why do you think this is? It's the way they grow up, the way they learn from the life, the way they think that they might lose the opportunity. Many of them.
Speaker 2:When I sat with some of the friends and I said why you did, for example, this oh, if I say no, maybe I will lose opportunity and I will not be famous, or I will not get any money, financial money or many things it's like. But you don't want to do it. But why you did it? She said if I stop, maybe other things will not come to me.
Speaker 2:And here you learn that some people say yes because they think they will lose other opportunity in life, which is a trunk Opportunity always there. If you will not get it from the one you actually are, not believe on it, then you can get. It's depend on you. So here, where I told him, okay, did you get the other opportunity, and maybe sometimes when you said yes to you. So here, where I told him, okay, did you get the other opportunity, and maybe sometimes when you said yes to something. So, for example, if you will go to with my respect some of the podcasts, this will not add value, maybe it will reduce your value in your life, but because the person is so famous, or she or he are famous, and he called me for a podcast, podcast but you know it will affect your real life, but you couldn't say no.
Speaker 2:Or you started a business. You are not familiar with this business, but oh, I need to do it because other they're doing. It's coming. It's similar like addiction. You have to do um, let's be honest business Cupcake or perfume or fashion, because everyone do it and did that. She has to do it. It's like it's not your field. Why you want, I cannot say no and it affects her financially. So here where you have to learn, when you stand for yourself, not because of the other, it's yourself.
Speaker 1:Saying no is really important, I think, because either way, I believe it's going to come around and bite you in the ass.
Speaker 2:Yes, correct, and we'll teach you a very tough lesson.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you'll get hustled in some shape or form to redirect and get back on track Now, because you're working alongside two huge projects. How do you trust yourself to execute and to deliver when you've not done something before?
Speaker 2:I have to study the project. I need to understand how big the project I have a dashboard for everything in my career and understand I'm dealing with who, the budget I'm dealing with, the delivery day and always remind myself, yes, I can do it. I will need support, I will need advice. And no harm to go to any of my colleagues or even my manager and say, listen, I don't understand it, I need to learn more. And here where you actually learn, don't say I don't understand it, I need to learn more. And here where you actually learn, don't say I feel shy to ask. Don't say I cannot ask or I cannot go or I said I'm not capable, because sometimes they give you a project and say, because you have the estimate of yourself that, oh, I cannot do it. It's very huge.
Speaker 2:Every single person never reached to be a leader or higher position or fame, except when it starts step by step. So, first of all, sit with yourself with the project I'm not talking about only in my career and even any project in life. Understand and determine the value and how it will add to you and how we need to deliver it. Put time period for you and the strategy I learned in my life to do a 30, 60, 90 days strategy. And on this 30 and 60, 90 days strategy between them, I stop one hour only between me and the paper. Document what I achieve, what the challenges, where is the delay, what the impact and the risk. Every important thing should be on the table and put it in one puzzle. Here's where I learned it in my life and in my career for 20 years.
Speaker 1:Have you ever suffered imposter syndrome?
Speaker 2:Many times, and this is normal.
Speaker 1:normal, any human can do it it's so nice to hear you say that's normal.
Speaker 2:We are human, we are human so it's normal sometimes to happen, but in the end it's just. You need to understand your value and how you will stand and take a chance on yourself. Yes, give yourself a chance. This is the important. So what's next value and how you will stand and take a chance on yourself? Yes, give yourself a chance. This is the important. So what's next? What next Good question In my career?
Speaker 2:As I said, we are delivering a huge project. We'll announce about it in you and the first Wikipedia book. We work on it for eight years. It will come live soon and thank God this will be published in Arabic and English. It will help a lot, not only experts in the aviation as well as passengers, normal people, to understand about the aviation industry. It will be launched soon, before end of this year, in Arabic and English. I hope people they will love it and my life.
Speaker 2:Hopefully by couple of next week we will be raising the awareness education program again with L2L we started from end of September, beginning of October, but this year we have a new program which will help students and children from 7 to 15 years old and this will be the first awareness and education program of the kids. It's not about the aviation industry only how to travel with parents with no headache, what they need to act, what they need to do and how to have a very pleasant flight and vacation. And here it's more an activity and education for the children to help their parents during the vacation.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. Yes, I'm sure so many people will want to attend that, definitely.
Speaker 2:Trust me, they want, especially with the younger. But this is where many programs will be launched by end of September.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for sharing all that. It's been an absolute pleasure to have you on the Detached podcast and I just want to see you grow even further because you're really touching so many people, motivating so many females out there. So congrats, thank you.
Speaker 2:It's my pleasure and thank you for having me and looking forward for your idea to have gym or a sport, a coroner and any aircraft and I I think it will happen. We need to have medical on board, though for this we don't know well, if you want it to want, you, dream about it, it will happen. Thank you, sophia, for having me, thank you.