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Ep: 86 Behind the Mask: The Self-Proclaimed Victim of the Tinder Swindler Tells His Side
Simon Leviev sits across from me, remarkably composed for someone who became 2022's most Googled man after Netflix branded him "The Tinder Swindler." His notoriety has created a paradox - worldwide infamy that he simultaneously rejects and capitalizes on.
Growing up in an ultra-Orthodox Jewish community as a rabbi's son, Simon describes a world without television, secular education, or exposure to modern life. "I grew up in a house without a TV, without anything, only religion stuff," he explains. This sheltered existence created a curious mind that questioned everything. Even as a child, he sensed a different path ahead: "I knew I meant to be something bigger."
Simon fiercely disputes the Netflix narrative, claiming relationships were misrepresented and allegations fabricated. "I didn't scam any girls," he insists repeatedly. Yet he freely admits to other controversial acts - changing identities, living on false passports, and past money laundering, which he describes clinically: "I offered a service. I took my commission." This selective transparency creates a fascinating psychological puzzle.
Whether you see him as calculating manipulator or misunderstood victim, Simon Leviev's story raises uncomfortable questions about identity, perception, and the blurry line between strategic maneuvering and deception. Listen now for a rare glimpse into the mind behind one of the most controversial figures in modern media.
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How does it feel to be the most Googled man in 2022?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I just want to be Simon. This is what I just want to be. At the end of the day, I'm a simple guy. I didn't choose to be the most Googled one and didn't choose to be famous, and I rather. All my life I was a ghost and I loved it, and I think this is also maybe what helped me a lot in life as well. But yeah, it's my life right now.
Speaker 1:So what did you choose to be when you were younger?
Speaker 2:I don't know know I wanted to be. I didn't actually thought about it. This is a tricky question. I will give it to you.
Speaker 1:I wanted to be someone, someone bigger than life, someone very big.
Speaker 2:Why did you want to be bigger than life? Why did I want to be bigger than life? I don't know. I didn't choose, of course, where to be, where to born. I had a lot of energy. I was a smart kid. I've seen things different than anybody else. What they told me I don't necessarily accept. If they teach me in school, If it doesn't synchronize in my brain, doesn't add up to me, I just don't accept it. So then I start to ask myself the questions. Back in the days when I was young I didn't have the internet as accessible as right now. I grew up in a very closed, orthodox environment. So I grew up in a house without a TV, without anything like only religion stuff. So it was very difficult. But I guess I started to question everything about life and I knew I didn't meant to be just like a rabbi or something like that. I knew that I meant to be something bigger.
Speaker 1:When you were growing up, what was your family household like?
Speaker 2:My father was a rabbi, my mom was a kindergarten teacher. We are six brothers and sisters. I'm number four. Just like an ordinary family, nothing unique, not poor. Like we was all right, we had what we needed, I could say so, living quite comfortably, not like that, but in the Orthodox life, so didn't get much love, I would say.
Speaker 1:So do you think you ever suffered abandonment?
Speaker 2:I don't know, didn't really analyze all of that. I cannot say I suffered or something. Really analyze all of that, I I cannot say I suffered or something. You know it it's. It was complicated things because my parents knew one way of of life and this is the way that they had brought us all up. I have other five brothers and sisters which all went to the same path as they my family, they will marry, the whole, they all have children and they are all successful in their way. So no one suffer. You know as as much as it sounds, but yeah, well, I guess I have a different path you just mentioned there that nobody suffered in your family.
Speaker 1:Do you think what has happened now? Has your family suffered?
Speaker 2:yes, my family has suffered. My father has been kicked from his job for 21 years because of me and because of this story. Um, it's brought a lot of shame, a lot of attention. They grew up in a very ultra orthodox city. There is no tv, there is no cameras there. You know journalists and suddenly journalists from all around the world, camera crews and everything running around the house and everything they put them in the spotlight. So definitely it brought damage to their life.
Speaker 1:And what about your mother?
Speaker 2:I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:What about your mother?
Speaker 2:Same thing about my mother. My mother, she's a kindergarten teacher and after the Netflix has been showed up for the first time, she didn't want to go. She everybody tell a look with your son what you've done. And of course you know it was something which is, uh, not easy.
Speaker 1:You could, you could imagine what do you think your parents believe about you now?
Speaker 2:um, I know that. They know inside of them that I will. I meant for greatness and I meant for something very big and I know deep down inside they know I will get there In this way or another. This is something I know, and my father always believed in me.
Speaker 1:Do you believe that you've caused them so much hurt and pain?
Speaker 2:I did cause them pain when I was a terrible kid. I was, I was a terrible kid. Do you believe that you've caused them so much hurt and pain? I did cause them pain. I was a terrible kid, I was. I was a terrible kid and I caused them a lot of damage, a lot of financial damage as well. I caused them a lot of pain, that's for sure. I wasn't an incredible kid and even on the contrary, when I was 13 years old, I even made my father arrested, unfortunately, I didn't mean to, but how did you do that?
Speaker 2:I called to the police. I said beat me up, the police, come and arrest him.
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:I had my Bar Mitzvah. Bar Mitzvah is a very big event that we have in the age of 13, kind of a wedding as a Jewish boy, and we had a lot of gifts that the guests gave and I wanted the gift for myself, but my father told me the gifts are meant to pay for all expenses, for everything. We had an argument about it. He pushed me, maybe he shouldn't do, but I called to the police. They beat me up and so on and so on. I didn't really thought. I just thought they're gonna threaten him or something.
Speaker 2:And the police came, my father back then was quite a well-known person in the community. They took him with them to the station, arrested him for 24 hours and the next day the judge gave him a restraining order from the house for, I think, 14 days or something, and then they wanted to take me from the house. I didn't agree. Yeah, this is the thing that kind of destroyed the relations with my family back in the days.
Speaker 1:What goes on in your mind when you're that age and something like this happens. Do you feel like you're morally correct in this situation?
Speaker 2:When it's happening, you don't really think. When you're a kid, you don't really think. I bad that you don't think when he was 12 years old or 13 years old of thing that you have done no one did, and if someone else telling you it's BS, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:I was a kid. I didn't really thought about the consequences that gonna be for the long run. I thought just on the second, okay, I will call them. They will say say okay, no, and so on and so on. You don't really take in it that we're thinking that it's going to impact your life, going to impact your father, what he really been through this night in arrest to be with the terrible people, that he's a normal person, that he's a rabbi, well-respected person, no criminal record, obviously, and people that don't know what is police arrest, all of those kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:And yeah, I didn't thought about it do you think the way you acted as a child do you think is that from a lack of love that you experienced in your childhood could be?
Speaker 2:could be. I believe so could be. That is lack of love, lack of understanding, and I had a lot of energy and they diverted into Bible studies and I was so good in Bible studies that they could do me a pin test. So they can take out a book, put in a pin and tell me what is written here on page 49 and this exactly line. I will be able to tell you the exact, exact word which was written there. This is how good I was, but it kind of didn't stimulate my brain.
Speaker 2:To learn all day about rabbis didn't really interesting me. I grew up just to explain to people. It's kind of to live in an imish community. You don't learn math, you don't learn english, you don't learn other languages, you don't learn geography, you don't learn anything. So you?
Speaker 2:The first time I've seen a picture of a girl in a bikini, it was in the age of 12, when it was a newspaper, when a constructive workers came to work in my parents' house. Like everything is a boy's school, everything, everybody married with matchmaking. It's no, my father being a woman, my mother being only with my father. It's like that, like this kind of life. My brother and my sister is the same, so it's a very close environment and you don't know nothing like that. So everything they're telling you why? Because this is what to say. But I never accepted it. I never in my brain. It really triggered me. So they tell you if you turn off the light on the Sabbath, you will die the next year. And I did it and I was waited literally one year and it come the last day of the year and I thought that's it, I'm gonna die. And nothing happened to me and I said maybe god forgot. I mean, this is how naive I was so when did you first find women?
Speaker 1:because you mentioned, the first time you saw a woman in a bikini, you were 12, it was the age of 12.
Speaker 2:Like, find woman like that, I like woman. Yeah, 12. Like you come in, I think to, to the age of you starting to be mature, you start to understand, you start to see and, but was no any interaction with a woman till the age of 17 or something like you know, just without that so to pull back a little bit, because I know you changed your identity yeah, I changed my, I changed my name, yeah why, I have been in prison and I thought to open a new page.
Speaker 2:Everybody called me simon over the years because I moved to new york, so shimon, it's the name which I grew up with. Change it to simon levayev. I mean, there is few things. First of all, my name in hebrew. My surname is chayut chayut. It's live levayev. It's live same thing. First of all, my name in Hebrew. My surname is Chayut Chayut. It's live Levi. It's live Same thing. First of all, it starts like that. Second thing Levi. It was a person that, living in my town, was an Orthodox person, came out from nothing, someone that I admired, and there is nothing to do with it how the media portrayed it. Yes, so I've changed my name on 23rd of April 2017, officially in the registrar's office in the State of Israel, to Simon Leviev, and it's been over seven years ago and technically now I can change my name again to who I want to.
Speaker 1:Do you think it's acceptable to change your identity?
Speaker 2:I don't change my identity, I just change my name. Yes, If a woman marries and she takes an Aspen surname, what is the problem?
Speaker 1:The surname that you did adopt, though, is from a very successful man, doesn't?
Speaker 2:doesn't have any effect. Maybe I want to break the ceiling of being like this person and I take it as a motivation. If I want to change, my name is Donald Trump tomorrow and I feel like, because I admire the person, there is nothing to be pretending because I don't have the blonde hair, I'm not tall as him. I can call myself Donald Trump. It's my right. I don't know. The last time I've checked. I live in a democracy and I have the right to change who I want to.
Speaker 1:How did you decide to take that name?
Speaker 2:It's someone that I admired over the years. You need to look up on a mentor or something like that. You cannot be pretending to be a son of somebody because I've been living 10 years on a different passport. I could literally be who I want to when I want to. I could tell any lie and I could take this lie and turn it into a reality. Those planes that was with me, that was there, not because of the levi. There was there so I could tell my name is cohen. Who knows? I cannot open a website. I could not open anything. I could be, be who I wanted. On the contrary, I was Simon Levaev. This is what everything, all of this story bringing you down. Bring down all of this story the credibility of that. I was Simon Levaev originally.
Speaker 2:I escaped my country in 2017 on a fake passport. Simon Levaev was a wanted man by the Interpol. Leviev was a wanted man by the Interpol. I didn't and I never used abroad during this year, during 2017, when I changed my name till 2019, till I got arrested the name Simon Leviev officially abroad. Never on a plane, never in a hotel, never. So if the girl said they bought me a flight ticket, I will be arrested the next border. It's impossible. When I've been arrested in Greece, I've been arrested in a passport under the name David Sharon. I didn't arrest it. When I've been arrested in Greece, I've been arrested in a passport under the name David Chiron. I didn't arrest it. I've been arrested in, I would call. In Spain, they catch me with a passport under the name Michael. So none of those names has Simon Levy into it. If I was using Simon Levy in any hotel or any flight or anything, I would be arrested.
Speaker 1:Would you call yourself a compulsive liar?
Speaker 2:No, I'm not a compulsive liar, I just I know the truth. I mean it's nice for you that you know what is the problem. You think you know me based on reading some articles, because those articles has obviously clickbait, which they copy-paste Articles writing down the world allegedly. Don't remember the last time that I have been that you have been there, Just because a woman saying something like that, and you see, I didn't ask you questions, I didn't ask you, whatever it is, and I said, yeah, I'm going for it, and people saying they want to hear the truth. This is the truth just because of these girls. These girls did GoFundMe page. You know they get over 800,000 pounds. Where is this money? But they're still on debts. They're still on debts.
Speaker 1:No, no, but if we recover back to how many name changes that you've had, I change.
Speaker 2:It's nothing to do with anything. If I have ability, if I know how to lie yes, I know how to lie. If I know how to manipulate yes, I know how to manipulate I have no reason to manipulate. I don't have a reason to lie to you. And if I was wanted to lie to you, I promise you you can put here 10,. I was called polygraph and I will pass all of that. I've been checked out by brain scientists. I've checked out by intelligence agencies to kind of figure out this saga, and they didn't. I promise you no, any psychologists, no, any two pounds, whatever it is. I'm not disrespect, not going to figure it out, so I can tell you this a hundred percent and no, I am not lying and I'm telling you this the fact, and I'm telling you the truth and I think the the main fact is I'm free man and there is nothing more to it. This is that you're crying. That's great.
Speaker 1:So if I was to put a lie detector on you right now and ask you what your true name is, I will tell you my name is Anna and I will pass.
Speaker 2:My name is Anna Sorkin and I will pass. And I could pass everything, because the lie detector doesn't work on this. When you know how something works and you know the game, you can crack the game. And you know the game, you can crack the game.
Speaker 1:It's very simple. Have you been able to manipulate the game, then, and understand it?
Speaker 2:If I know how to manipulate the game? Yes, I know how to manipulate the game, obviously. If I live 10 years on a fake identity, so obviously I know. And I passed thousands of border controls on my life, so obviously I know how to manipulate the game. Yes, I do, there is no doubt about it. This is that I've done mistakes. Yes, there is no doubt about it. This is that I've done mistakes. Yes, I've done mistakes, but I didn't scam any girls. I didn't scam none of this. So this is a bullshit. It's a very nice story to build up for it.
Speaker 2:The everything is showing up in my second documentary, but they steal on that of 200 000. I mean it's who they took it out from? Um, what is his name? Uh, pablo escobar. On on a thousand percent interest per day, come on, I mean, and and they met me on tinder, like it's, it's absurd. It's it's absurd and the it's absurd, it's absurd and the manipulation. It's for you that you think you know and you're thinking and some people they're taking up their psychology and they're reading some articles which obviously it's one-sided. If you want a documentary, if I've been convicted, if I've been investigated, that's great. I never stand a trial, never been convicted, never been charged, never been investigated by any law authority around the world never never about any female.
Speaker 1:You've been aside from females. You've been charged for fraud yes, I did.
Speaker 2:I fake a check and this is why I've been in prison, for when I was young, my employee didn't pay me. I took out the check, I fake it up and that's it. Yes, when I was 19 years old and I pay and this is the end of the story. This is what I've been in prison for, that's it.
Speaker 1:That's the only thing.
Speaker 2:This is the only thing yeah, when you, when you're doing that, it's called it's stealing from an employee, it's faking a check using a fake document. It's a thousand charges on one small thing.
Speaker 1:This is why I've been in prison yes, do you think you deserve to go to prison?
Speaker 2:why will the back then?
Speaker 1:yeah, for what did I?
Speaker 2:did. I did my time and I didn't did five months I did. I've been sentenced for 15 months in prison. I did 13 months. I took this check. Basically, the person did not get hurt, it was the bank. I've paid up my debts to the society. I paid 1.27 million for this check of 250,000 10 years later. That's it. It's enough. No one needs to do. I have paid for what I have seen.
Speaker 2:Yes, I was a kid, I did a mistake, didn't really took the consequences. What's going to be in? And yeah, I say sorry about it. I finished it, that's it. You cannot go in forever because I did a mistake. What did I did what I paid my, I paid it, that's it. So you cannot go forever to say to me like this, forever and if I am regret for everything that happened in my life, no, because it made me who, the person, who I am, and if not this check, I won't escape the country on a fake passport and I won't reach out till today. Escape the country on a fake passport and I won't reach out till today. If I'm sad that the tinder swing letters reach out back in the days, it cost me my life. Almost now I don't. It's a multi-billion dollar business and I love it and I don't care I'm not getting insulted by that that people telling me like this because at the end of the day, I'm left into the bank not you, so you've sacrificed your family for all this money and fame.
Speaker 2:I I didn't sacrifice my family. My family gave up on me in the age of 13. So again, this is like misleading and the manipulation they're doing to the viewer. It's you doing it, not myself. I didn't sacrifice my family. I've tried to go back to my family. I've tried a few times to go to my family. I didn't choose to be famous. It's not myself. I'm not sending them to my house. They're taking private detectives. They're running when is my parents living and they're trying to destroy their life. It's not me doing that. Yes, I've said sorry to my parents. I've tried. They live in a different path, a different life, and I'm living a different life and I respect it. I've tried.
Speaker 1:So with Netflix, the women that you've had on Netflix did they lend any money to you?
Speaker 2:Didn't land, didn't give, didn't took anything on the country. I just gave them. Very simple, and it was way before Netflix. It was an article that had been published on 16th of February on a VG on 2019, on a VG, on a Norwegian newspaper. This is back then. The article is catch because back then I was wanted in my country. This is the only thing that was the true to it, because I was a man on a run. It's been like a manhunt. This is why it was so sexy. Six months took me to get arrested. Didn't get arrested because of the girls, didn't get arrested because of that, and I've been released. After I've been arrested on a fake passport. Then my country has my extradition on the check.
Speaker 2:That's it and then, while I was in prison, they have contacted me, contacted my lawyer. I was in touch since the day I get out from prison with Felicity Morris, the executive producer of the movie, and it was a role. Uk was the production company and AGC studios was producing it. I was in touch with them. There was exchanging contract. I made a lawsuit against the girls. They even made a. The public prosecutor in Greece made a criminal complaint, but of course you won't hear it nowhere in the media because the media don't want to show it up. They offered me 8.5.
Speaker 1:Why do they not want to show it?
Speaker 2:Because it's not sexy. You seem like an intelligent woman. I will expect from you to be a bit more understandable and to understand how media works. And you understand. The media doesn't care right or wrong. They care about clickbait and they care about ratings and apparently I'm a rating bum. That's it, very simple. But people saying they want to hear the both sides.
Speaker 2:Every documentary which you look there is all the time someone shared a positive life Not in my life, not in my situation. Where is my side? Every story has a both side. If I've been convicted in court, great. Do it for me that I should not get all of this hate and I should not get out when all of these girls change. They've been a barista, they didn't been a rich woman and all of this nonsense that they're trying to portray. That has been upon this game. You said you open it up. How is it to be the most Google name If I'm such a fraud? You're really thinking I'm living from 2018. Back then on $200,000, it from 2018. Back then on two hundred thousand dollars. He didn't even cover me a flight, even in the movie. Just the tip of the iceberg for f. Where is all of this iceberg? I'm such a dangerous man. Where is all the people to come back? I promise you, all the authorities will try to see me a thousand years inside and they will make an example for me. So where is everybody else?
Speaker 1:well, where did you get your money from?
Speaker 2:I'm a businessman you're a businessman yes, I'm a businessman very simple.
Speaker 2:No one needs to know. I have nobody. I'm a businessman Very simple. No one needs to know I have nobody business. I'm a private person, so nobody business. I need to expose exactly how I'm doing it. If I invested in crypto, let's say tomorrow I'm launching my coin. If I will buy the coin, let's say I will buy $100,000. Okay, Even if I don't have this money and I borrow it for my friend, I did 20, 30 million dollars. I will take this 30 million dollars. I will invest it in something else. I'm going to create my business. Very simple math. You don't need to be a genius to make money nowadays.
Speaker 1:Did you launder money?
Speaker 2:Back in the days. Yes, I did. I'm not saying I'm an only person. I did mistakes back in the days. That doesn't mean that all your life it's someone to target you, to make you as a bad person. If they send, you took out two hundred thousand dollars from girls. It's like a joke, it's like an insult. You know what did I mean. If they're writing on google, I took a billion. At least it's something you know. It's not true, though, but whatever it is, I don't know who writing it, but whatever it is, I didn't scam any girls. This is what I can tell you. I'm not saying I'm an only person. Yes've done mistakes. This is that I've been in prison doesn't turn me into a criminal right now. It doesn't turn me to a bad person.
Speaker 2:I'm a person who pay taxes, obey the law, doing everything by the law, especially when they all eyes on me trying to do something good and I'm doing it regardless and when I'm trying speaking out, everybody trying to silence me up. Why? Why are you so much afraid for me? I will talk regardless. I will get the stage regardless. I, you, are the one who made me famous. I never wanted to be famous. They call me the man with a thousand faces.
Speaker 1:You wanted money when you were younger.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I have.
Speaker 1:But creating it through money laundering. How does that make you feel?
Speaker 2:It's a business at the end of the day, and I don't do it now. I did it when I was younger.
Speaker 1:Do you not have any guilt or shame?
Speaker 2:For what?
Speaker 1:For money laundering.
Speaker 2:Guilt for what? No, not me, I don't do it. If I did money laundering not for me, for other people, if someone, if you're giving me I'm a bank, I offer a service. You give me a bag, you give me crypto, you give me whatever it is and I send it to you, to other companies, that's it. I don't care where you're getting the money from. I don't ask questions, not my job, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Are you not ever curious whilst you're doing that? If?
Speaker 2:I'm curious. No, I don't ask. I don't ask people where they're making the money from what they're doing. None of my business I offered back in the days. I offered a service. I did a service. I took my commission. Very simple If I'm a hotel and I have a guest, I don't care what my customer's doing. They're coming up, they could be whatever they want. They could be who they are, I don't know. They could be a businessman, they could be whoever. As long as they pay, I'm happy to provide them a service.
Speaker 1:So you mentioned Tinder Swindler is a lie. They showcase a lie, right, correct, what was a lie?
Speaker 2:The girls. Everything, first of all everything. My name in the movie I didn't present myself in this age Was fake Been, took out, actually, from my Instagram account. I go back then in identity of 35 years old man. They present me at 28. Wasn't true.
Speaker 2:They said I dated the three girls. I didn't. I met only one on Tinder. The other one, never dated, was my friend, literally my friend. One I met in a suit shop. She worked in Eckhart. Another one I met in W Hotel, one of my friends. She was going with me and my girlfriend together to holidays. It's a nonsense. Cecile. The first girl in the movie wasn't with her in any relationship. Met her three times in my life, spent with her less than 24 hours combined, 54 days. Since the second. She sent me a message she started with me Since the last minute that she blocked me. It's not my words, it's her. So I'm just saying wasn't any relationship or anything he targeted. She started with me. How the hell I targeted two, count a prey on a date on a private dinner and took on a date I met with her for a coffee.
Speaker 2:Yes, it wasn't my judge, she just joined me too. It's like now you need to leave home, I will take you. So I have a rule story, so what, I bring it for you to take you on, to take. No, I met her for a coffee. Um, I needed to leave. She, I, she write me 30 minutes later that you don't need to invent stories that I'm ugly. Just tell me that you know that you don't like me. I said what are you talking about? I'm flying tonight to Bulgaria. You can join me. Obviously I didn't thought that you will. And she said, yes, on the flight with my daughter, a, a mom, my security, my team, like right now, what date?
Speaker 1:Is that not questionable? To have a woman come with you? You're a total stranger to her. Is that not questionable? A female will go on a private jet.
Speaker 2:I didn't care. It wasn't for me anything.
Speaker 1:If you zoom out and look at that, though, do you not think that's a bit questionable for a female to go with a stranger on a private jet?
Speaker 2:I didn't really want her to come. I offered and then I felt uncomfortable. It's like sometimes you offer something but you don't really mean it, like okay, yeah, yeah, no worries, of course you can come, but you don't really want that someone will come. You're just like you know you're trying to be fly by flying tickets and come to me wherever I am. Even right now I can show you messages. What girls writing me right now just to give them the early coin to enter to buy, and you won't believe.
Speaker 1:But well, crazy world we're living in how's females been for you now after the pinder swindler show?
Speaker 2:more crazy than I had it before yeah, defying, crazy there was things you cannot say but crazy. All imaginable craziness that you can imagine, crazy.
Speaker 1:What type of female are you attracting now?
Speaker 2:What type of female. It sounds very not nice to speak like that. First of all, I'm a gentleman in my core, so I have girls starting with me from head to toe.
Speaker 1:What values does a gentleman hold?
Speaker 2:Respect and I respect ladies and every person that I know and I'm surrounded by ladies and I don't need people to vouch for me. People will say that I'm the gentleman of the gentlemen and I am. It's very easy to portray a person Now. If you will take a girl on a date, she will go up and she will say, ah, he touched, touch me, he did like that, and there is a dozens of these girls nowadays and it said the power unfortunately the girls have nowadays and she will say touch me or something like that, and things never happen and it will be a blackmail and it will be. They will try to bring you down in this way. And it said and even happened to me that that I fall down unfortunately on on on a transgender and all some, all this kind of stuff and everything like that. It happens unfortunately in life.
Speaker 1:Do you feel like a victim?
Speaker 2:I am a victim 100%.
Speaker 1:Why do you think you're a victim?
Speaker 2:Because on all of this bullying and all of these lies, because they're girls, all of the world trying to flip against me, gave me the amount of hate beyond For murderers they don't receive this amount of hate beyond for murderers.
Speaker 2:They don't receive this amount of hate for murderers and everybody trying to silence me. But the day that I will be silenced, it will be the day that I will die. No, any woman organization, no, any authority, no any police, no any FBI, no any CIA, no Mossad. No one will ever stop me. The only thing they can do maybe delay me. No one will silence me and I will say my words and I have my friends and I have my people and they can try. I'm a powerful person and they're afraid of it. Now they see I make money from it. They're trying to silence me, trying to do something good to give back to the community. Are they trying to make it turn into something negative? I'm making interviews. They're trying to silence me. Take me down.
Speaker 2:I didn't want to be famous. The girl made me famous, not me. What? Because now they don't get in airtime. So now they're crying. They're not any more sexy. No one cares about them. They don't bring in any new victim. They're trying to milk the lemon, as much as it sounds. They don't get in any more interviews. They don't get paid anymore. So now suddenly it's nice when girls flipping on guys, when I have business partners that lost all of their houses just because it's a girl. That is fine. The dating scene in Dubai, that is fine. The dating scene in dubai, that is fine. That's okay. That's everybody talking. No, that's woman empowerment. That that is fine. Yeah, that is fine. This is woman empowerment. I won't speak out, but that's what did I mean? All of this hypocrisy and all of these lies.
Speaker 1:This is absurd why do you think these females lied? Revenge in the beginning in the beginning wasn't revenge.
Speaker 2:The beginning was a manipulation. They thought I was uh, I was a wanted man. They told him if you will participate, if you will help me out, you will be helping to a fugitive and you can go up to 20 years in prison and I understand that is well, fair enough. When the article came out, I was a wanted man. The police was looking for me, I was a fugitive and obviously when you're a normal person and someone coming to you and showing you three passports on this person different age, different identity you get scared. You don't know what this guy looking for and I understand this is starting in a manipulation then could be a revenge.
Speaker 2:When a girl painting something in a head you have, you're a woman and you know that you have in your brain. You know how your wedding I don't know if you're married or not, but you know how your wedding gonna look like. If it's something that you believe in, you know how it is when you're meeting with a guy, you have already your picture inside of you that you know how it's gonna look like your perfect, your perfect life. And when someone shuddered this tear for you in a way, oh, it's not the person, yeah, listen, I lied about my age. When they met me they thought, okay, I'd say my name is simon, I didn't say I'm the son of, I don't need to say I'm the son of, but they thought I'm 35 and suddenly, like someone lied to you in a way or something like that. So you do feel not comfortable with it. I understand it, I understand it and it's fair enough. But to go and lie and doing that bad, that, that's fucked up.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry about my language, that's, that's fucked up do you think it's okay to start relationship on a lie?
Speaker 2:every relationship is start of a lie. Let's see girl coming up without makeup, like she wake up. I will be very much appreciated. So no one doing that. So once we will do it, it's very comfortable. You know, people tell me I'm a criminal. But the rules that everybody else like to bend, I don't know. How is it? I'm not. I don't know if it's going to the UAE or something like that. Let's say, in another countries, you can delete it later on.
Speaker 2:People using drugs I'm again drugs. I'm again drugs is in my DNA. But they doing it, everybody doing it, is fine. So this law you can pass. Yeah, yeah, this is convenient for you. To drive fast when there is no police is convenient for you. This is convenient for you. You're doing what you choose in what is convenient for you. So when I did what is convenient for me, suddenly I'm the bad guy. No, where is all the hypocrisy when? So go without a makeup. Tell the guys to stay up, like the real financial situation. Tell them to go without a swag, without nothing. Don't wear perfume, be the ugliest you can go with like that, and let's see, when you meet in a person, you will try to show up your best version. You will try to show up the best version of yourself. You're not going to show up your, your, your, you know you don't raise your standards.
Speaker 2:It's not verbally lying, though yeah, it's not really raising the standard, because after two, three months the real face is coming up and you understand that the person is not like that. Come on, how many times you you say you like a guy and you said, oh yeah, I like it. The same thing and you don't really like it. You're doing a gym? No, but I'm open up for it, not you, but people doing that.
Speaker 1:Come on you can be intentional intentional when you begin a relationship again, it's, it's, it's those gray lies, it's a gray area.
Speaker 2:So, when it's convenient for you no, it's not nice to to start with a lie and I, I don't. I agree with you. It's not, it's not, but unfortunately this is how it works. But I can tell you right now, when I start now, I'm starting from minus 200, so everybody knows me as a negative side. So now, now it's fine, you know this is what I mean. So for my hand, now 100 people know me before I know them. So, yeah, but unfortunately, most of the things that you will start, it's a lie. When you're going up to uh to work, when you're getting up, you're sending up your cv. You're not going to say your cv about your, your bad habits. You're going to write how good you are. When you will start your work, you will be the top.
Speaker 1:In the first month of course, but do you think you can go into a relationship now and go in with it honestly? I'm sorry, I didn't get it can you live in a relationship, in an honest relationship, after the amount of little white lies that you've told along your whole life?
Speaker 2:yes, obviously, I've been in a relationship, was very successful, everything is fine and it's not a problem. This is that you have abilities. It's a sniper doesn't mean you're going, not a problem. This is that you have abilities. It's a sniper doesn't mean you're going and killing people. This is that you have techniques or something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can take advantage of the people. I can see people, I can read, I can see the person be in front of me and, yeah, every person. I can take it and put it to something positive. And this is exactly what I did. I developed a dating app. I took out my abilities, things that I've learned over my life. Yes, of course, I learned how to go my way. It was a way of survival. It wasn't a way that you're thinking, oh, the greed for the money or this kind of image. No, it was for me to survive and then it helped me to get money. So the manipulation? When I left the country, I was 19 years old, frightened kid. I was a kid. I was 19 years old, you and a 19 years old you don't know nothing in your life. I don't know. I mean, like you, the person that you are today, you're not the person that you was when you were 19 years old. I just wanted to succeed in life.
Speaker 1:I left my country on a fake passport of a 36 years old man. What?
Speaker 2:kind of advice would you give to your 19 year old self right now. Yeah, never, ever, ever, ever, ever ever. Give up which I didn't and make yourself a base, which something that I did in a later age. I was like all over the place. I was scattered.
Speaker 1:Would you exchange your life now for the 19 year old self that you were before?
Speaker 2:No, no, I am. My life is my curse, but it's my bless and this is my path and this is the life that I've been going through and I'm going through. It's not hard. I can tell you that it's not hard, sorry, it's not easy. I'm sorry, it's not easy. It's very hard and but this is my life and and I'm happy about the person which I've become. I'm happy about the person which I've learned about myself and I'm happy about all the hate. I'm happy about the person which I've learned about myself and I'm happy about all the hate. I'm happy about it.
Speaker 1:Why are you happier about it?
Speaker 2:Because it's made me to understand other people even better Sometimes how stupid people are I am. I'm reading comments, I'm trying to understand my opponent, my other person. I'm trying to understand his brain. This is how my brain works. My brain works. Normal person I mean, mean, I don't know if you, you understand it's yeah, normal people have like a tunnel vision. You know they see direct. I'm like a puzzle, I see everything around you and then I'm looking up. So my vision in general it's much more, it's much more wider. So my brain process much more details than a normal person and they've been checked it out many times. So, and I like to understand the other side. I like to understand someone writing me bad comment. I like to understand where it's coming from, when you're asking me those questions, when you're trying to attack me, when you're trying, I'm trying to understand where it's come from, what it's made you think this way, how easy it's been to you to be manipulated by one article.
Speaker 2:This is the way. How easy it is people thinking they know me, which they read. They've been watching 126 minute movie, a movie the girl's crying what they didn't come to. A set wasn't lighting, wasn't makeup, wasn't the sound.
Speaker 1:Tell me this if netflix is lying, why are you filming another netflix?
Speaker 2:Because I made money from it, because I squeezed the lemon more.
Speaker 1:Isn't that not going against yourself?
Speaker 2:I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Isn't that not going against yourself, your dignity?
Speaker 2:It's not about dignity. I don't care about my dignity. First of all, I tried to sue Netflix. I came to an agreement and it's my side of the story.
Speaker 2:If you don't care about your dignity doesn't that not say a lot about you? No, I mean, of course you care about the dignity, but they hurt you so much so at least you can, you can milk it out. You have an opportunity. You have literally money on the floor. Yeah, I got all of this stage. I got the world stage, the all eyes watching on me. Yes, in a negative way, I am a proof of our marketing genius and I am my own marketing. I am my own marketing. I am my own marketing, everything that I do. Of course, I have a team behind me. I'm the one guiding the lines and I can tell you they're going to learn about me in universities how I flip the script, and I did. And I will tell you even more than that that now, even developing a script movie like Catch Me If you Can and Wolf.
Speaker 1:Wall Street. Are you proud to be a pro manipulator?
Speaker 2:I think it's a tactic that a lot of people will pay to have in business. I'm a I'm a strategic person, let's call it like that. So I won the game, but I let you think that you're leading as a manipulator, though?
Speaker 1:do you feel like you're leading as a manipulator, though? Do you feel like you're manipulating people out of a positive benefit for the other person?
Speaker 2:First of all, I don't manipulate people Again when I have.
Speaker 1:It takes two to manipulate.
Speaker 2:When I have skill doesn't mean that you're using it. If it's helped me to read the other person, absolutely. If it's helped me in business, absolutely. But as long that everybody happy doesn't really matter at the end of the day if it's taking things to my own advantage, eventually we all care about ourselves. You interview me to get views. I'm interview you because also, I'm interview with you because I like challenge and you know, honestly, I don't know why I did that. Actually they, they told me don't go, but I said yeah, let's go. So, fair enough, I like challenge and I don't care. No one ask you for my team about questions. No one ask you anything. And everybody offer me, offer me to see it before, edit it. You know, go ahead. I mean, my name been slender so much so nothing could be even worse with that being said, tomorrow you're launching a coin right correct how do you think people are going to trust you with this coin?
Speaker 2:I can tell you that they launched the fake coin has already reached out 1.1 billion dollars market cap. So I can tell you, people are going to trust it and people are going to do it very, very well and it turned me into a billionaire and this is. I can tell you that.
Speaker 1:So do you think I'll be sat here this time next year and you'll be a billionaire? Are you confident?
Speaker 2:I think probably tomorrow night, Not next year, probably tomorrow night. So not just about my coin. You know, I did a lot of things and I'm doing a lot of things and thank God I am, I'm fine.
Speaker 1:Because this is called the Detached Podcast. It's all about detaching yourself away from your limitations. What limits you today?
Speaker 2:Bad people, negative people. I would like to limit myself from negative people.
Speaker 1:Do you let that negatively impact you?
Speaker 2:No, I don't know, it's kind of a magnet, negative people coming close to me, unfortunately, and I don't like it and it's distracting me and it's not good for me.
Speaker 1:I see you've bodyguards outside, so how does that make you feel that you need to have bodyguards?
Speaker 2:I don't need to. It's uh. First of all because we shoot in the, the movie and the coin. It's a lot of money being put to it. You want to make sure everything going smoothly and everything going fine and I'm the face, so they don't want nothing to happen to me. God forbid I have an accident or something. I'm the face, so it's just a business decision and that's it. I'm not in public. I'm receiving only love. Never received one bad comment Throughout my life. I shit you not. Yeah, behind the keyboard I'm receiving hate from here till the moon, probably one of the most hated person out there in the world behind the keyboard. But in reality, people love me and that's fine and I don't care. You know, at the end of the day, I want to have real love and I'd rather to have one real person to love me than everybody else.
Speaker 1:Is there any final words that you'd like to say in the Detached podcast?
Speaker 2:Well, every story has both sides and don't be quick judging the person, because sometimes you're thinking that the villain is not, is not a real villain. Actually, you know, it's just a fantasy of Netflix, which is nice. It's made the best movie in the world and the same in this story, and you will see it very soon do you think I'll change my mind after I see the next?
Speaker 1:one, you will thank you for being on the podcast. Thank you very much.